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an excerpt of the best discussion and comments with thoughts from Natalie
True manliness is perfect strength under perfect control.
Another reader commented: “If men were simply strong, and women simply soft, I think we might find ourselves in a very unbalanced society. Think of the strong and courageous women in the Bible. I think they were much more concerned about that than being beautiful. Consider the men who chose a soft response, rather than showing off strength. I think those examples are truly powerful.”
This is of course true, as Sarah responded:
There are a lot more complications wrapped up in my statement than are readily obvious on the surface. For one thing, men and women image God together as a complement and individually. Women have courage – there’s no doubt about that. Men have their own sort of beauty too. And there we see the qualification that comes necessary. I couldn’t just say, “Men have beauty!” They have their own sort. We women have our own sort of courage.I think that both of these emotions should be inspired by the other’s heart. A man’s perfect strength, if it exists, inspires me (a naturally strong leader) to follow. A woman’s perfect beauty will inspire a man to love. A respected man will grow stronger, and a loved woman more beautiful.
One comment that I really appreciated and have seen demonstrated beautifully lately is from Kelci:
A Godly man will recognize that she is able to do it, but will also have the servant’s heart, strength, and courage to do it for her. It is an attitude of biblical manliness that says, “Christ instructed us men to serve the ladies as Christ served His bride (the church).” This mindset says, “Because I am a man and I recognize my calling of being a Servant-leader let me have the privilege to serve you.” This is why your statement Sarah of “A man’s perfect strength, if it exists, inspires me (a naturally strong leader) to follow” is true! It is easier to follow a young man’s leadership, regardless of his age, when he is being a servant-leader as Christ was.A godly, humble, yet strong servant-leader is a rare find these days. Certainly allowing any gentleman to open a door or otherwise treat you with the respect and honor due a lady is a good thing; however I would cautiously say that our primary focus for being an example to men and allowing them to serve us would be to family members, not “guy friends.”
As another young lady said, “A few years ago I realized I should be helping my brothers become gentlemen. So, I have been making my brothers open the car door, store doors, etc. But sometimes I do forget. While out with my bro one day recently, I pushed the store door open and marched out. My brother said, “Uh, you didn’t wait, so-and-so stands there and waits for me.” At first I was rather upset, but after thinking about it (all afternoon) I decided he wanted to take care of me, he wasn’t trying to put me down. In order for men to be men, we have to be women!”
Kelci brought up some more thoughts on friendships with guys: “They [young ladies] have either never been allowed or encouraged to be friends with guys in a godly way, (guys are not just for relationships) or have been hurt in friendships with guys, or just simply and do not know how to be friends with guys.”
This is not an issue young women can decide for themselves independently of their family and church community. Another post that I thought tied in well with this topic was Gretchen’s excerpt on Encouraging Boys to Manhood. If you believe they can be chivalrous gentlemen and loving friends, they will try to live up to your unspoken standard.
If we can accomplish this, if we can have this influence on our families and other men (in the proper context), we have succeeded in a great thing. May I say that being a woman who inspires a man to be better than he is now, to love unselfishly, to live courageously, to die with honor–being such a woman is worth more than any academic credentials, financial achievements, or lengthy resumes.
Bram commented: “As a guy, I can attest that you women have a great influence on our lives — spiritual, emotional, and mental. The influence is almost scary in its power. You can lead a man closer to God or tear him away. Realize that power and use it to God’s glory. Whether we embrace it or not, the responsibility and potential remains. The question is, how will we make use of this gift and task given by God?”
Next, Lanier gave us a simply fabulous piece on Femininity that should be required reading! Doesn’t this truth resonate deep inside every young lady? “There are no knights in shining armor to rescue and defend. There are no beautiful princesses who live happily ever after with their loving prince. Not in the Real World.”
I certainly bought into this lie for a while in college. Praise the Lord for His mercy and grace in proving me wrong! There are a few valiant warriors left in this world who will fight for their sisters, wives, mothers, and daughters. How tempting it is for us to withdraw from friendships because we’ve been hurt and disappointed. Yet we are commanded to function as part of the Body of Christ irregardless of how we feel or what we have experienced.
“In Christ and in His relationship with His Bride the Church we see the ideal of masculinity and femininity. He nurtures and protects. She reverences and adores. He stoops to serve her. She is raised to a position of honor by her acceptance of his leadership. Is there anything more beautiful—or more romantic?”
This is so so beautiful! I know that I, as a woman, most crave to be cherished and protected. Often our bids for superiority and control are frantic gropings for security are they not?
Sarah then posed the question: Is that love, then? To be so concerned with the other’s well-being that one forgets oneself? There is no need to exert one’s will if all one’s desires are fully met. Is that what we have been talking about all along with submission and marriage?
Bethany commented with another perspective: “I think that gody femininity comes in different forms for everyone but that it is something that is important, and something that most of the time does not just appear naturally in a life. I think rather than an outward appearance, which will be different for all people, godly womanhood is a reflection of the inner life coming under Christ’s submission.”
Laura Leigh added into a discussion on how our focus can be on serving others yet maintaining our own inner reserves: “When I am too busy-whether serving God or just clutting my life with activities-I tend to become discouraged, and lose my focus on the Lord. I need time to recharge, take a few moments alone with Him, and maybe just enjoy the beauty of God’s creation, or read a book, or relax with music or a cup of tea. I don’t want to be self-centered, but I also think that it is important to have a balance in this area of my life. Without balance, everything, perhaps even service, can become a hindrance to me.”
Katie added a perspective we must remember to maintain balance in all of this:
In our women’s Bible study at church, we are studying “Spiritual Mothering” by Susan Hunt. One thing that she says applies well to this discussion of spirituality and femininity: “When the Holy Spirit produces faith in a women, she becomes a new creation (2 Corinthians 5:17). A dramatic result of her newness is her even greater potential for the development of this female capacity. The Christian woman not only has a new Pattern, she has a new Power.”Through Christ, we are given the power to serve others with our femininity. That is why Christ says that we must be “Mary”s before “Martha”s–if we don’t sit at His feet first, then we will not have to power to serve others.
As women, we are created and called to fill a need in this world. A life lived for the glory of Christ is inherently risky, yet once you’ve experienced it, there is no going back to the old ways. Nothing else will satisfy.
Thank you for all your insights and thoughts, my friends. As we move on to other discussions and new lessons, may our words be seasoned with grace and our hearts eager to serve one another in love.
































Natalie, How beautifully you tied all of our thoughts together! It seems that you pulled the balance out of everyone and complied it. Thanks so much!
(Your statement of)
“This is not an issue young women can decide for themselves independently of their family and church community.”
I really appriciated you pointing this out, because the question of whether or not to be friends with guys…in anyway…has to be a decision that our authorities need to decide! I think all would agree that we have to stay under our God given authorities, or all of life seems to go haywire.
In my own life, I am so glad that my parents are very actively involved with all of my guy friendships…and I appriciate the fact that they encourage me to have friendships with guys.
The best part about them encouraging me to be friends is that they continually moniter my friendships…and have been faithful to help me with them…even when I don’t see what is going on.
Natalie, thanks so much for doing this article…it is so..nice to have your opinion!
Many Blessings!
Kelci
Excellent summary, sissy. Beautiful conclusion.
Thank you for hitting the highlights so well.
Thank so you much, Natalie, for the time and thought you have invested in this subject! The whole discussion has blessed me greatly.
You see, while I have been a Christian for years, I did not have an example of godly feminity and submission in my growing-up years. In fact, I must say that I was exposed to a feminist mindset through different influences, though I did not realize it at the time.
Like many of my “sisters”, I am serving Christ in singleness, but hope to be able to serve Christ in marriage one day as well. Through this website, and especially through this particular post, I can better grasp the concept of how godly submission and service between Christ and his church, as well as between a husband and wife, are truly right and beautiful!
Thank you for your words of truth!
- Mary
You really tied all those past discussions together beautifully, Natalie. Thanks for hitting the highlights so well:).
I especially enjoyed Laura Leigh’s quote. I have to do that at times to. Usually I’ll just go play the piano for a few minutes and that really helps to clear my mind and set it at rest.
Thanks again, Natalie! This is a really good post. (I might have to print it out and stick it in my journal!):)
~Allison
I can see that you are a peacemaker, Natalie.
You have the rare ability to highlight the true elements in what others say and to balance statements against each other. And your post is especially good, because it brings closure. Thank you!
Great summary…thanks for putting it all together in such a balanced way. And I like the picture…that’s you, right? Your skirt is beautiful!
Yes, that’s my beautiful sissy. I made her use that picture, much to her chagrin. (In truth, I took the picture and put it in the post.
) We found the skirt when shopping together, too… We love thrift stores!
Great post (and fabulous pciture!!!)!
Thank you for tying it all together, Natalie. As someone else said, you have the wonderful gift of peacemaking. BTW, the picture is very pretty!
~Brianna C.
Yeah. I was wondering if that was Natalie. The picture is beautiful!
Thrift stores are the place to shop, Gretchen:). I go there ALL the time!! Sometimes you can even find that haven’t even been used yet!!
~Allison
Wonderful job summing it all up, Natalie! I really enjoyed thinking through the previous posts. They provided lots of food for thought. : )
BTW, the skirt looks gorgeous on you!
~Katherine
Thank you so much for your thoughtful synopsis of this topic! You point out the best ideas, and show us a balanced view of these issues. This post is something I will refer to for years to come, as it is both convicting and inspiring. I can only add a resounding “Amen”! Thanks again!
Lovely skirt, by the way. Don’t you love the floaty ones-they make me feel so “girly”!
“. . .In order for men to be men, we have to be women!”
- powerful statement!
Thank you for the post. . .wonderfully put together!
HLH
Thank you so much for the post! You summed it up GREAT!!! And a whole post laying out all the good comments was a great idea!
A.M.
Reading this I wondered if being a women is also having “perfect beauty under perfect humility”.
Thank you Natalie and Gretchen for such an amazing and encouraging website. Its blessed me so greatly with articles like these.
Gretchen, would you by chance have any good advice for someone entering the season of engagment? Seeing that you are well on your way to your wedding day? I am right in the spot when you first started planning your wedding; simply waiting for my man to ask! I find it increasingly hard to be patient. Any wisdom for an anxious heart?
God bless!
~Katie
Natalie,
This is probably the most beautiful and simple treatment of this subject (of femininity and submission) I’ve ever read. I printed it out to keep with my folder of favorite articles.
To God be all glory,
Lisa
Katie,
Gretchen asked for me to field this question…I can relate to where you are at and I also got to watch how Gretchen handled that earlier this year.
If you have more specific questions, I’d be happy to answer…otherwise, my advice would be to focus on savoring each moment. It’s only going to get more intense once you are engaged and just want the wedding to be here. But try try try to savor it–you’ll never regret drinking every bit from every moment–but you will regret if all you can remember from right now is being impatient for him to pop the question.
Feel free to write me if you want to talk more.
Thank you so much Natalie. Your wisdom and words of encouragement are deeply appreciated.
I am trying to savor this moment, for I know this time in my life will never be repeated. I guess it all comes down to stopping and smelling the roses in a sense. I think sometimes I forget what a wonderful season courtship can be. Its so easy to get wrapped up in the thought of engagment and marriage, that I forget the blessing God has given me through this time in my life.
Thank you so much Natalie.
Like I said, I will most definitely be e-mailing as soon as I can.
God bless!
~Katie